Posts by moggy lover

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Favourite Movie scores/soundtracks of all Time?

by Crumpet in

i was just going through my cds and unapcking them and noticed that i have way more film scores than anything else.. particular favourites have to be:.

1) the mission - ennio morricone - beautiful and moving.

2) hannibal - hans zimmer - haunting and with a stunning opera piece which i love.

moggy lover

By far my favourite must be Gladiator.

Especially the last bit which seems to be Hebrew since the word "Shalom" comes up often.

Absolutely haunting.

Wish I knew who composed the music, though. My CD does'nt seem to say.

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"Let Your Name Be Sanctified"----PDF!

by Atlantis in

"let your name be sanctified" (1961) http://www.watchman.org/profile/jwpro.htm (scroll down) god the holy spirit: similar to many other cults, jehovah's witnesses deny the deity of the holy spirit.

they have written, "but the holy spirit has no personal name.

the reason for this is that the holy spirit is not an intelligent person.

moggy lover

What's the Douglas Walsh transcripts?

Cheers

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"Let Your Name Be Sanctified"----PDF!

by Atlantis in

"let your name be sanctified" (1961) http://www.watchman.org/profile/jwpro.htm (scroll down) god the holy spirit: similar to many other cults, jehovah's witnesses deny the deity of the holy spirit.

they have written, "but the holy spirit has no personal name.

the reason for this is that the holy spirit is not an intelligent person.

moggy lover

Duly received and saved. Great work and good luck

Ta, mate

Cheers

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2008 Changes to the Watchtowers

by Inquisitor in

i don't know if someone else has already posted about this.

i tried looking a page or two back in this section, but didn't find any thread on this news.

if someone has, pls add the link in this thread.. no, the watchtowers aren't gonna be monthly like the awake, but apparently the w mags will be designed in this way:.

moggy lover

Looks like they are closing up shop and pulling down the shutters for public accesss to their material.

The only way you will be able to know what the WTS really thinks, is to think you're really in the WTS.

Then will come the books, and finally the Dist Assys will be restricted admission. Not that this is a bad thing since we don't go to those insufferable wind bag sessions anyway

Hmmm...... Anybody thought about how our own WT studies will go? I mean can our WT Study Conductor Blondie get the private Wts which have the study articles?

I can't bear the thought of not studying the WT ..... noo... nooo.

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Lurkers and Newbies: Information That Maybe Crucial To Your Research

by Lady Liberty in

dear friends,.

if you have never seen jw files, then you are in for a treat.

grab a cup of coffee and check this out!!.

moggy lover

MM: It refers to the 1984 publication: "NWT Bible with Refrences". It is an extensively footnoted edition of the WT Bible, and the edition which finally standardized the English text.

Until they find they need yet another edition so as to make the Bible say exactly what they want it to say

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i have a lot of consolation magazines that i could scan.. if you want a particular issue for research, tell me and i will scan it, and you can tell to the board more what are your research, so everybody will have more insight.. .

here is one of this magazine concerning the madison square garden incident.

this incident is connected with the olyn moyle's trial and it is interessant to see the vision of rutherford concerning this.. he tried in this magazine to excuse the usher, because what he said on stage was "the word of jehovah", so nobody must stop the "spreading of the word of god".

moggy lover

Thanks Chasson, I am sure all of us appreciate the historical goldmine you are sitting on. Between you and others such as Atlantis we can nail the WTS for their deception and dogmatic bluster and babble.

Thanks for the trouble that you are taking

Cheers

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Rutherford and 1914 "coming"

by Doug Mason in

i have seen the 1929 book where rutherford stated that christ's parousia took place in 1874. .

in the course of my research, i have seen people claiming that during the 1920s, rutherford dated the "coming" of christ at 1914. .

i do not want to repeat hearsay, and would like to hear from people who have the original documents or verifiable photocopies.

moggy lover

As TD has pointed out there was evidently a heightened state of flux in WT theology as an awareness was being felt that the 1874 date was clearly becoming untenable. JFR knew that something had to be done but.... what? He had plugged the 1874 date which such monotonous regularity that any retrenchment from it would obviously make him, as the spokesman for jhoover, look plainly ridiculous.

I believe he planned a retreat from the 1874 date, but with such an apparent display of theological legerdemain that the impression was created that in fact, no retreat had been undertaken!!

1 1929 was, we can determine with a fair degree of accuracy, the last time he mentioned the 1874 date

2 The 1930 GA article you referred to was the first tentative mention of the 1914 parousia, but in a context that would have lulled the suspicions of all but the most diligent of WT scrutiniers.

3 The quote from the 1932 booklet "What is truth"? was another surreptitious attempt to inject this new idea into the theological mainstream of the WTS, but again, in a context that belied its tremendous importance to the the average R&F member.

4 In the 30s JFR became obsessed with the idea of type/antitype and so contrived to focus attention on certain OT passages which he taught "foretold" the formation of the WTS. His books: "Light" [Vols 1 and 2] published in 1930, Vindication [vol 1] published in ' 31, "Preservation" Vindication" [vols 2 and 3] published in 32, "Preparation" published in 1933, "Jehovah" [1934] "Riches" [1936] "Enemies" [1937] and "Salvation" [1939], all had a common thread. This was that certain OT events were merely typical of greater occurrences in the 20th C all pointing to the WTS as God's exclusive channel of communication.

Probably the book that plumbed the depths of the absurd to the most ridiculous level was "Preservation" which attempted to show, with dogmatic assertiveness, that the Bible book of Ruth pictured two "classes" of WT followers then in evidence, with one of them, the "Ruth" class, poised to lead the WT followers triumphantly into the New World. It was in this maelstrom that JFR made his first forays into the new date of 1914 for the parousia.

5 I feel we can be certain that any pre-1929 reference to 1914 was not to the parousia, but to the end of the Gentile Times, which JFR did believe had occured in 1914. Most WT watchers, would assume that JFR believed then what the WTS believes now, that is, that the two events are framed into one date. He evidently did not.

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Great Crowd Appeared in 1930's........or did it?

by drew sagan in

the basic premise for this post came from some comments td made in a thread many months ago.

(read the full thread here : link) .

the specific point i wanted to discuss is the 'great crowd' theology the wts puts forth, especially the timeline of events it presents as accurate.

moggy lover

I think you have raised a very interesting point, Drew, and one that I missed all the years that I was in the WTS. Like me, I am sure that most WT followers use the terms "other sheep" and "great crowd" synonymously, making them refer to several generations co-existing together. Actually, as you point out there is a difference, albeit a technical one.According to the WTS's own definition, the GC must only refer to those who attended the 1935 assembly.

At that convention in Washington DC, in 1935, those attending, and subsequent recruits of that generation, were identified as the GC. In fact as the WT of 15 Aug 1935 states: "Now we see a company that exactly fits the description given in Rev 7 concerning the Great Multitude"

This means that those attendees of that convention had every right to expect to go through the Great Tribulation in their own lifetimes. Anyone who was 10 years old then will now be a frail 82 and anyone old enough to make a mature dedication to the WTS diktat, say 20 years old, will be 92 at least. It is obvious that the vast majority of that generation have now passed away, victims of yet another gross misrepresentation of the WTS.

It must be remembered that to the WT leadership, truth is not an entrenched verity impervious to change, but rather is an elastic commodity, capable of being stretched, bent, and twisted into any shape that most serves the interests of the society. The WT leadership exists in its own self-made cesspool of deception and conceit, unhindered by any concern for other human beings other than themselves, and for this reason are untroubled by any inconsistency in any of their "reasoning"

All it will take to undo any embarrasing defaults in their theology is a glib redefinition of their malleable glossary, making the GC mean whatever they want it to mean.

Cyberguy: just a brief reference to an encounter I had with a young couple who, as WT followers were doing a street corner work. Accosting the young couple, I referred them to Eph 4:4,5 and asked them to explain to me this anomaly of the WTS actually teaching two hopes. The young lad, presumably using the kind of pliant logic that makes the WT follower unsuited to any coherent discussion, insisted that, in fact, the WTS did teach only one hope. One hope for the anointed, and one hope for the OS!! When I pointed out that his mathamatics was reminescent of what he insisted the Trinity to be, his apoplectic demeanor became apparent. Somehow to him, 1+1=1 and he considered me to be the one retarded enough not to "see" this wonderful "truth" !!

Good post, Drew.

Cheers

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Is the WTS/JWs a cult? evaluated on different scales

by Lady Lee in

is the wts/jws a cult?.

since we had no jwd today i was busy.

odenoted where the wts meets the criteria red text are my comments.

moggy lover

Hey, LL, great research, and thanks for sharing. I think we should all save this information to our computers for future reference.

Cheers, Treasure,

ML

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Anyone raised from the dead as a result of Jesus sacrifice yet?

by gaiagirl in

in conversation with a jw recently, i mentioned that i was a blood donor, and they replied that the best use of blood was jesus sacrifice.

my answer was that "i know people whose lives have been saved because of my blood donations, do you know of even one person who has been raised from the grave because of jesus sacrifice?

" as you might imagine, the jw claimed that thousands of people were in heaven.

moggy lover

In my opinion, the most blasphemous feature of the WTS teaching on the resurrection, is the artful way they have covered up their own involvment with the scripture at 2Tim 2:18.

At that verse, Paul makes reference to certain ones, who, having "departed from the truth" say that the resurrection has already occured. To deflect any reference to themselves, since they also say that the resurrection has already taken place, thus identifying the WTS with those "apostates" from True Christianity, [ In 1878? 1918? Who knows what jhoover reveals to these biblical misfits] the Inspired book, [Vol 1, pg 1164] says "Evidently these ones taught a spiritual resurrection" thus suggesting that the heretical nature of these beliefs was not in the time of the resurrection but in the nature of it. Possibly true.

But that is precisely what the WTS teaches!! Do they teach that a bodily resurrection occured in 1918? Of course not. The WTS teaching of an invisible, spiritual, disembodied resurrection reflects the influence of pseudo-pagan beliefs that they have either consciously or inadvertantly adopted for their own use, and which teaching was condemned by Paul

Like Paul says, the WTS has "deviated from the Truth" [NWT]

Like the True Christians of Paul's day, we confidently await the future resurrection

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